Archive:Civilized Space Requests - 2019

Civilized Space Requests - 2019 is an archive log.

Summary[ | ]

Civilized Space Requests - 2019 contains archive records from requests made for Civilized space recognition.

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Star system page not linking to other pages 11/10/2019[ | ]

Could someone please check the Vovaykeva page? The parent pages of Volition Project and Lihalaw Void pages don't link to that page and my skills with Wiki editing are very limited. The link stays red and says 'page doesn't exist'. Thanks in advance Gaspurr (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Just took a look, the links seem to be working just fine. Wonder if you may have a caching issue. Go to the either of those pages and edit-and-save without making any changes. See if that fixes it? Ddfairchild (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes it seems like a caching thing. Only issue that's left is the Navigator at the bottom Vovaykeva page which says 'category doesn't exist'. Gaspurr (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks like it's been removed. The navigator is an optional section that doesn't get used a lot. If you don't need one, just removed the line (but leave the section header in place). Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Application to join UFT 11/2/2019[ | ]

Hello all, I would like to have my group called Darkk Sector Syndicate added to the civilized space page. I am in the Alpha quadrant of Eissentam. My civilization has been added to the map but is not under the navigation zone for Eissentam. Here is a litlle lore i created for my civilization. "We are a technological society that aims to find a way to preserve our existence after the "death" of the ATLAS. Located in the Tegoci region of the Alpha quadrent in Eissentam, we are constantly on the search for Glitch planets which we believe may be a way to understand how the ATLAS works."

I have reviewed your embassy page and the two star pages (and planets) that you've added to the wiki. Made a couple of changes there to match up with the rest of the wiki formatting; those pages are good to go. You'll need to create three more star pages (per the requirements on the civspace page) and once those are reviewed-and-approved, we'll add your civ to the the civspace page. Before you create those pages, though, review the changes made to your first two star pages and include those changes in your new pages as well. Thanks much - looking to adding your page to Civilized space in the near future! Ddfairchild (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello Darkkblaz, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Darkk Sector Syndicate will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I have looked over the edits you made and will implement them when I add the next 3 systems. It may take me a few days or so before I am able to fully add the next 3 systems, but I will post here when it is finished.

Works for me! (BTW, if you include four tildes

~~~~

at the end of your posts, it will tag your user name and date. Thanks!)

I have been able to add the 3 renaming systems, and I believe I have made the correct edits to them. If there is anything I need to change let me know.Darkkblaz (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Pages reviewed and approved - have added your civ to the CivSpace page - welcome! May you live long and prosper. BTW for future, make sure to include the needed Category section at the bottom of each page, as well as creating the necessary Category pages. If you have questions on how categories work, give me a holler. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 23:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, glad to be apart of the Federation.Darkkblaz (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Introducing the Volition Project to Civilised Space // Application to the UFT - 10/25/2019[ | ]

Good day all, I would like to have our PC player group named The Volition Project added to the Civilised Space page please. We are in the Gamma quadrant. Our aim it to become a member of the UFT. I see we have already been added to the map but the intro text is missing. So here we go: "The Project's mission is to explore the worlds out there and drive the frontier ever further by finding new places and by claiming worthy assets for generations of pioneers who may follow in our wake. We are curious frontiersmen and -women with a heart and soul for intrepid expansion." - V.PRO Project Lead Andrew Gaspurr

Hi Gaspurr, as soon as Ddfairchild has reviewed the pages and the recognition as a civilization has been done, the Volition Project will be added as a new member of the Federation. Welcome. --Artifexity (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

OK, I did a review of the first three "A" systems, and made a variety of changes, mainly with the Alias names section, resource links, and categories. You can review these changes, then make the same to your remaining star systems. I figure it would be easier for me to make a couple changes and just have you review them as compared to "giving you instructions" <g> Also, the page on the mineral was perfectly fine as to how it was written, but we don't normally create individual pages for minerals or plants. It's fine to include information on the planet page about them. Now if the mineral is really unique-and-fascinating, the a separate page would be ok. Lemme know once you've update the remaining pages - thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi all, I have seen the 'recommended' edits and I'm getting more firm using Wiki formating so yes, I'll do the other edits soon and will continue to use them for star systems. As for the mineral page, yeah, I figured they were really special and looked like the Gek may have worshipped them in the past. Very peculiar, but I will be really strict when adding more of this very individual stuff. Gaspurr (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Right, I think I catered to most, if not all, your propositions and thank you for your reviews so far. Let me please reiterate the Volition Project's application to the UFT and us looking forward to being a part of this fine crew. Godspeed. Gaspurr (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I've reviewed your star pages, embassy page, and application. You're good to go - welcome to the CivSpace communmity. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

New Request - Adjusting Information for the HCIS - 10/8/19[ | ]

Hello, my fellow Travellers! Just wished to make a couple of updates to the general information of the HCIS throughout the Federation and Civilized space displays in general. Our symbol has been updated (which also has its own alternate version), as well as our population has increased! Our Census shown on our subreddit now registers 7 players in total, bringing us into the Standard classification. Finally, I have gone through and updated/refreshed the description of the organization. Just making sure our personal information is up to date, and keeping ourselves active! Thank you for your time!
-Director of the HCIS Optimus3097 (talk) 13:56, 08 October 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good, always good to see our civspaces prospering and growing. Ddfairchild (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Optimus3097, I have adapted the map of the Federation accordingly. Thank you. Artifexity (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

What the ewoks did I miss?[ | ]

OK, wow, that's a pretty empty starmap. Sigh, I guess a lot of people left. Oh well, could be worse. Dang though, that's a lot of now defunct interstellar communities. I, uh, I need to go sit down. * realizes I'm already sitting *, OK, well that didn't help anything with the newfound shock of a mostly empty starmap. I'm gonna go, and uh, make some cheese. Rockatoa, Brickticks (talk) 22:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC) out!

Hello Brickticks, the map is a bit deceptive at the moment. Since I only add civilizations that have updated their Embassy pages to Beyond. I think there are still a few coming back. At the moment most are busy with cooking :) Immediately after an update, other topics take precedence. After a while, when everything new has been tried, some come back or discover the civilized space for the first time. --Artifexity (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

The map has been updated to Beyond 9/9/19[ | ]

All civilized space zones, that have not updated their Embassy page to Beyond, have been removed from the map. --Artifexity (talk) 10:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Request to append link to coordinate system in Extra Info 8/31/19[ | ]

Users who want to establish companies may not know how to determine which quadrant they are in. Providing a simple conversion method in the "Extra Information" section of the page may be a viable way to mitigate this potential issue.

XanTheDragon (talk) 18:03, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello XanTheDragon, thanks for the hint. A note was added to Additional information. --Artifexity (talk) 10:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Free Delta Initiative population 8/24/19[ | ]

Hi, why is the Free Delta Initiative marked as a Hub (on the map) when it isn’t? It is basically an alliance and the census consists of less individuals then the required 15 for Hub status. Also, why is the Cafe 42 civilization marked as Event and the "42" is marked white for some reason? Why so? Thanks, Winter naut (talk) 00:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Winter naut, I've already talked to Moon cookies1 from the Cosmic Cooperative about my work on the map regarding Hubs. Please inform yourself about it in the lower section (Hubs & more 8/14/19). The 15 rule is an invention of the Federation to avoid fraud. It only applies within the Federation. On the map I apply various criteria to mark a Hub. The 15 rule is only one of them. The map is largely independent of wiki, federation or other interest alliances. I also try to take developments outside this community into consideration.

During the Beyond Black Holes Contest, the Free Delta Initiative proved to be a Hub by making an extraordinary number of entries. In my opinion, this has only been possible with a high number of members or users who feel connected to the FDI. Shortly thereafter, I was asked by DeepSikz if I would mark the FDI as a Hub.

Cafe 42 has an offshoot (Event) in the 42nd Galaxy. This is used as a port of call for travelers through the galaxies. Previously, the 42nd Galaxy had its own box on the map and so the event could be marked. But due to lack of information about the Event and lack of space on the map, I decided to change that. I am not satisfied with the solution and will change it again. Thanks for the hint.

The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. --Artifexity (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Request to change EPM's location on the starmap 8/17/19[ | ]

Sorry to have to bother you again so soon. But the capital of the EPM has changed a considerable distance, the system, planet and coords have already been updated on the Embassy page. For ease of access the new coords:

0801:0086:07E2:007A

In case we need to document 5 in total new systems in the region just like when we started off, I'll get on it as soon as I get confirmation. I hope you'll be able to make the edit without having been too inconvenienced.

Thanks in advance! Blek456 (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Blek456, I have adjusted the maps accordingly. To my knowledge, it suffices in such a case to document the capital system and the capital planet in the new region. The other old 4 star systems continue to count. Optionally, of course, it would be desirable for the new region to be documented as well. --Artifexity (talk) 10:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! The new region will be documented, but I wanted to know if I should it do immediately or at a slower pace. Blek456 (talk) 15:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hubs & more 8/14/19[ | ]

As said by Artifexity and many other users, Hubs are a controversial topic. And here I am, part of that now. I was told that 15 users in a Census must have a Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, or Gamepedia account to be a Hub. So that is why I had to wait for 25 Citizens, because many of the citizens did not have those accounts. However, some Hubs do not follow this and there are other issues as well with many of them:

Amino Hub
- Census
  - Census is outdated (Atlas Rises)
  - Only 12 members actually have the accounts I mentioned
  - Duplicate users
- Star systems are from Pathfinder

Free Delta Initiative
- Actually an Alliance, not a Hub
- The Census has less members than 15
- Only 2 documented systems

Alliance of Galactic Travellers This one is a little more complex:
- The Census includes members from Louyen, CELAB Galactic Industries, etc
  - These members should not be counted toward the AGT hub in Gamma
- All the members of the Facebook are considered citizens? What if we made all of the people in our discord citizens?
- It still might be a hub, there is just no way of knowing

I do not mean to harm any of these civilizations: I am trying to make the wiki more accurate

In addition, civilizations without 5 documented systems or inactive since 2 updates ago (Abyss in this case) should be removed.

Thanks ~Moon cookies1 (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Moon cookies1, first I have to clarify something. We have to distinguish between the page of the civilized space and the map. The map serves primarily the general public, beyond Federation and Wiki. That's why there are also Civilizations and Hubs on the map that are not or hardly represented in the wiki.

Through my role as moderator in the Federation, I am constantly receiving personal messages about new Civilizations or changes in existing ones. Therefore I have information to make the map as balanced as possible for all.

History, activities and census are equally included in the evaluation of a hub on the map. I mentioned examples in response to my profile. If there are no previous stories or activities that indicate a Hub, I would point out the 15 verifiable members. That's what happened with your Civilization.

The decision of 15 verifiable members on the wiki was a decision by the Federation to be recognized as a Hub. This was at a time when membership of the Federation was not determined by the documentation of star systems, but by the number of members. https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/981911/debriefing_and_result_of_the_vote_on_the/

The next 3 months will continue to see Federation members on the map who may still be from NEXT. That's the effect of a Federation decision: https://www.reddit.com/r/NMS_Federation/comments/bowaz1/fsa_supplement_42/

Under the heading "Under construction" are all Civilizations which are either new and/or do not meet the minimum requirements for Civilization recognition. As well as Civilizations or Hubs, which are not represented in the wiki accordingly. I will present this more clearly in the map after your request in the future.

The map is subject to constant adaptation. Especially after an update. It's going to change a lot. Thank you for your research. --Artifexity (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

                                                                                           President Itzz Rasta

Request for civspace 8/13/19[ | ]

Hello, Federation! The Antaurean Imperium has provided the required documentation to be recognized as a civilization. Awaiting review/approval of said application. Also, I'm not exactly sure if I formatted this request properly, in the correct space. Thanks in advance.

have reviewed your embassy page and the pages for the five systems that I know of. These are all approved. For future reference, review the changes that have been made to those five systems by the wiki admin team. That way when you create additional pages you can include those items as part of your pages. Also - if you add a new star system, be sure to put a link to it on your embassy page, and also on the region page. Welcome to the official civspace page. Our cartographer will add you to the map... Ddfairchild (talk) 20:23, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Already done. Artifexity (talk) 08:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Gek Trading federation request 8/8/19[ | ]

Hi, can someone add the Gek Trading federation to the map? we are still documenting systems but will be finished soon.

Gek Trading Federation - a powerful company composed of large numbers of Gek. Not much is known about them other than that they are present in 33% of all systems and are headquartered in the Alpha Quadrant in Euclid on planet New Balaron. Rumor says Gek part of the organization may have been part of the First Spawn.

The GTF appears to be a company, not a civilized space, so all comments will be added to the talk page for Companies. I will mark the note on this page as complete. Ddfairchild (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Cosmic Cooperative 08/08/19[ | ]

I would like to request an addition of the Cosmic Cooperative.

The Cosmic Cooperative looks to give its citizens the #1 community experience. Citizens are engaged in voting via polls. Without a leader, citizens vote what the CC should do in every situation. A Community Representative is elected to be the Voice of the Community.

There also seems to be an issue on the map, we are much closer to the Helios Confederation of Independent Systems than appearing on the map, it might be easier to just place us next to them. Thanks! Moon cookies1 (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Moon cookies1, if the coordinates 01BB:007D:05AB:00B6 for HCIS and 0188:0083:056C for the Cosmic Cooperative are correct, then this distance results between both civilizations. I have corrected a little bit, but also with the recalculation, the distance is retained on the map. For the recognition of Cosmic Cooperative as a Civilization in the wiki, I would like to wait for Ddfairchild assessments. Welcome. --Artifexity (talk) 14:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! I hope we can be recognized as a Civilization as I think we meet the requirements (we have 7 documented systems + more to come) Moon cookies1 (talk) 15:17, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I have reviewed your star systems pages and embassy page, they look pretty good. I would ask that on these pages you fill out the table of planets for each star with at least the basic information. (some have this, some don't). I've added your civ to the CivSpace page - welcome! Ddfairchild (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Request to change the EPM's description 08/03/19[ | ]

Recently the EPM's been through some changes, and I feel as if the description that is displayed on this page doesn't properly represent it. I would like it to be changed to this (copied straight from the embassy page):
"The EPM's most important goal is to create a prosperous civilization with its core operations set in the Xbox universe of No Man's Sky. The accomplishments of joining the United Federation of Travelers, and the establishment of a localized community on Hoth (EPM), lead to the expansion of this objective; to industrialize the Xbox Universe as much as possible so it is equal in terms of organization to the other two universes."
Also, with the launching of the Phantomial Space Force by Jikomiko, I suppose we are also considered militant? So we would need the reddish color of the Militant classification on the UFT starmap.

And since I'm on the topic of starmaps, I think we have the color of a PS4 civ instead of an Xbox one? I can't really recognize the color but if you can do the above stuff can you also check the colors there? Thanks in advance! Blek456 (talk) 20:26, 3rd of August, 2019 (UTC)

description has been changed Ddfairchild (talk) 02:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, only the starmap changes remain Blek466 (talk) 03:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Blek456, the map of the Federation has been adjusted accordingly. The color of the line, indicating the platform, is correct on both maps. Yellow for Xbox. Artifexity (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Blek456 (talk) 12:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

understood - that will be done by our cartographer... Ddfairchild (talk) 06:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

How to make a Civilization?[ | ]

I have heard about these civilized space groups AKA Civilizations, how do I make one? Moon cookies1 (talk)

Use the following steps:

1) in the search bar, enter the name of your civ and search

2) the search won't find your civ more than likely, and you will see a phrase saying "Create the page <civname> on the wiki"

3) click on the red link in that phrase which will allow you to create a new page. From the list of blue options, select the preload for Civilized Space

4) add the desired information for your civ and save the page

Of course, this will only create a page FOR the civ - you'll have to create all the actual information about the civ. I'd recommend you do that before you create the page <g>

Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Request to add Company 07/23/19[ | ]

The Galactic Trading Company is now ready to be listed as company. The requirements should be fullfilled. fd_df

I have added your request to the talk page for the Companies page, since the GTC is a company. Future comments will be handled there - thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 17:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Request to add Civilization 07/01/19[ | ]

The United Traveler's Alliance meets all requirements, and want to be listed as a civilization. Brentkerman (talk) 17:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Did a quick review of your information, please review the following:

Civspace page:

update the Joining and Members sections.

For system pages:

Version macro is first line present
make sure all sections headers are present, even if no data is available.
Infobox filled out, including distance-to-center and make sure that the discovered-by link works
Categories filled out
on the planet resources, these should be links

I have updated UTA1-01A3 UTA Capital for you to show these changes, if you would update the others? Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I fixed all those, although leaving the sections headers for Space station and starships off on the uncharted system, as those simply do not exist. Also, on UTA2-00D9 UTA Science Interest Gliiekdan To the best of my knowledge Ranchu does not have an account, so the discovered by link will not work. The distance-to-center will be filled out as soon as an explorer has gotten around and checked those, that was not on our original form, but that is being edited. Some planets had their resources not recorded, these will be checked as soon as possible. Brentkerman (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Brentkerman, I have added UTA to the map. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 07:00, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I have added your civ to the CivSpace page - welcome! If you would create the page for Gilead, that would be great as it is your capital planet and so is showing up as a red link in the infobox. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 05:29, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Alliances 06/26/19[ | ]

I added the UCA to the Alliances on this page and the Federation to the companies page. The maps have been adjusted. If there are any concerns, all or part of it can be reversed. Artifexity (talk) 10:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Community Events Page 06/19/19[ | ]

I was thinking that a Community Events Page is something we need. Hear me out so we can group all events in the era's that they were hosted; Atlas Rises, NEXT ect. Something like the 2018 NMS Olympics should be catalogued in it. I'm also planning a few events myself when Beyond drops. Thoughts? The Godfather (talk) 2:13 PM, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

appears the page has been added, I've added a link to it on the CivSpace page. Ddfairchild (talk) 03:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Multiple civilized space zones? 06/18/19[ | ]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the rules were you can only have 1 civilization or company, not both? Mr. Carter has the Trailblazer Firm and the Celestial Kingoms. Just wondering if this changed. Thanks! - The Godfather 8:56 AM 06/18/19

Hello The Godfather, you also run two civilized space zones: Aviszar Cartel and MegaCorp. As far as I know, at the beginning we allowed to administer both a civilization and a company. But I am not sure. Maybe it would be enough to refresh the categories. So then the Trailblazer Firm would be a Limited Partnership (LPs). Maybe Intothedoor and Ddfairchild can help us on this issue. I have corrected your headline as I distinguish companies and civilizations. Artifexity (talk) 11:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Before I formed MegaCorp I gave control to my successor, now the cartel is his. I haven't updated it ever since. I'm just curious if if we can run both civilization and company. Nothing ill towards Mr. Carter. 3:06 06/18/19

No question. That needs to be clarified. Thank you for your demand. Artifexity (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't want to cause an issue over this. Only curious. Thanks. 7:05 06/18/19

Sorry for the long post, I am thinking out loud - - Hello Everyone, I heard about this and thought I would add to the discussion... So I think the most important thing we try to do here is provide honest and truthful documentation for players of NMS; an important aspect of that is to provide players with information they can use to enjoy the game, of course this is all fun in the end. In the case of civilized space (which I would include Civilizations, Companies and anything that is similar), we need to provide current and actionable information that a reader/player can contribute to, join or communicate with.

As with any creative endeavor things aren't always linear and I think that is where we are, trying to make sense of creative things. Sure not everything can fit in the same box, but the wiki tries to catalog this info for history and most importantly for our readers.

My feeling on the 'one person/one civ' rule is it was begun so that things make sense to the masses and assure a quality product; if someone wants to know about a civ or a company they want to know if its current, if an editor creates several civz and a few companies a reader doesn't know what is happening 'now' and in my mind the wiki wants to assure quality over quantity. We all should seek the best quality product we can create. For a quick example the Federation is much more clear cut, one person per civ/company, but that is because voting powers are on the line; the wiki on the other hand has a goal of documentation and sometimes a single person may have more than one idea they want to create. I think the wiki should have room for editors creations, but i also think sometimes editors (me included) must work a little harder to make it all make sense.

For me it has been creating everything under the GenBra brand, whether I am building a civ page for someone else or my own they all fall within some sort of GenBra lore... however, lore isn't my strong suit, some like the Godfather are much better at it, and I think those creations should be woven together. Even now I see The Aviszar Cartel as apart of Mega Corp just as I would see Trailblazer Firm as apart the Celestial Kingdoms, as a reader I naturally see those as belonging together specially in the sense of the Cartel (if it is no longer to be edited it should be declared dead and retired, I am less familiar with Carters creations but I apply the same thinking the current civ/company is the one you work at). This is the problem of historians, creating a current product that future readers will be able to make sense of.

As a suggestion I think the wiki could create rules that would help curb the problem at hand, so something like each editor can have one Ciz/Company recognized officially (map location/ciz space mention/ vote if applicable) by the wiki might be appropriate. Of course I am just throwing out ideas and thoughts here. I appreciate and respect all our great editors who are trying to give back to a game that we all love so much. Thank you! Intothedoor (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello friends! This is Carter Brentwood. I was alerted to this conversation and was hoping to clear everything up. Firstly, it is true that I am currently running the Celestial Kingdoms of Irling and the Trailblazer Firm. While these organizations have different means, objectives, and stories, they are somewhat connected. My hope is that the Trailblazer Firm and its subsidiaries be physically located in the Celestial Kingdoms star system. Its lore is 100% documented as connected to the Kingdoms. The organization is simply run separately as it is a private organization, which is not influenced by the Government of the Celestial Kingdoms of Irling. It could just as easily be a ‘wing of the government’, although I think that just decreases the value of the lore and depth which the firm and its subsidiaries (like the Brentwood Group, a private law firm) brings to the No Man’s Sky universe. I understand the policy and am happy to abide by anything the administrators decide but I ask that readers keep in mind flexibility in regards to understanding the full scope of the situation rather than simply a hard-line rule. Thanks for your time. Carter Brentwood (talk) 21:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I appauled Carter and his hard working ethics. All of his creations are really great and well thought out especially his law firm which is a great model of how firms work in the real world. Awesome job on that! I didn't mean to cause a fuss of a storm and I apologize if I did. I wanted to know if the rule was tweaked like maybe you can run a civilization and company together like interwoven as Intothedoor suggested? As for the cartel, its no where dead. Most activity is on its discord and its current Godfather is occupied there and has little time in updating the cartel wiki. Again I apologize if I caused any schism over this. The Godfather (talk) 8:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

The civilized space is improving and expanding, precisely because of just such questions. We have a need for clarification and I'm grateful that you have revealed the gap. The page of the Companies has just been created and still needs discussion. With Oxalis and the Oxalis Hotel Chain, my civilization is also involved. I thought the category Limited Partnership (LPs) allows the administration of a civillization and a company from a single source. That's probably not the case. The Empire of Jatriwil - TEJ Enterprises also fall under this category. I am looking forward to the further discussion. Artifexity (talk) 07:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Technically LPs are that, I think of the parent civilization as the tree and the company as its branches as along as there related. Like yours and Carter's. I'm all for having multiple civilizations/companies(even if their not LPs) so as long there related or tied together? If we change this rule in not being able to have multiple civ/co, you, Carter and WAMM should be exempted. The Godfather (talk) 11:03 AM, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Some history just for the record... When civspaces were first added to the wiki, the one-civ-per-customer was instituted for several reasons.

1) place a limit on the number of civs that people would be tempted to create. This also helped make sure that Alliances (such as AGT or the FED and others) weren't loaded with multiple sock-puppet civs just so they could become a big alliance on the board.

2) At the time, we had "quadrant hubs", and there was a lot of jostling, especially in Delta, to be named the official hub for a quadrant.

3) doing proper maintenance on a civ is not a simple task if done right. Doing maintenance on multiple civs just wasn't going to happen for the average editor. We have found that roughly 30% of civs added to the wiki don't make it to the next release, let alone if people had multiples.

In short, we wanted to be sure that the civs we had were real and not just fake voting blocks.

Originally companies were lumped in with civs until it became obvious that there was a definite separation of interest in how editors wanted to approach the two. So about six months ago we split out Companies as a separate entity. In retrospect, I probably should have specified at the time that editors shouldn't try to maintain one of each (mainly due to reason 3 above).

However, that didn't happen, and we now do have several "linked" civs and companies, including Trailblazer/Celestial Kingdoms. In the cases that do exist, I believe the Limited Partnership is the best option for grandfathering these.

So, my recommendations for the future are these:

1) as long as our existing "duals" are willing to categorize themselves as Limited Partnerships, and make sure that their pages indicate that linkage, allow them to continue

2) modify both our company and civspace pages to indicate that editors may have one civspace or one company, but not one of each. Some of our civspaces do describe companies that work in their civspace area and that's fine. But those companies will not be listed on our company page.

Ddfairchild (talk) 18:30, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed review. I support your recommendations. Artifexity (talk) 06:24, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Policing Literature - there's a catchy title for ya... I just wanted to make mention that I believe the wiki is not responsible for deciding who is accepted in the Federation, AGT, UN42, or any other alliance. I think we need to step back and consider just what happens to historic creations when this library decides not to 'keep the book in the stacks' (so to say). What I mean is the wiki has no voting, our only goal is good truthful information so I worry about the statement that a created company wouldn't show up on the company page if it is tied to a Civilization. I currently don't have a great example, but I just warn of putting up walls where I feel we don't need them. I respect, understand and even agree with most of what has been said, but I feel the cut and dry approach does not work. so in response to DdFairchild's original three reasons:

1) We are not responsible for deciding who and who does not vote in alliances outside of the wiki. Our only true goal is to assist those alliances to record it for history.

2) HUBS - I feel it has never been our place to decide who is a HUB, and personally I wish we would get rid of HUBS and even more so to abandon a one HUB per quad rule (if it's still is a rule). Our only responsibility is to account for what a civ is. Whether they have 100 people or 1 or even 'secret' all I want to see is the truthful size.

3) This here is the job of the wiki, maintaining a page, but as stated most of this becomes history anyway, so we should do what we can to help the information read well into history. I think it is in this point that most of the wiki's rule be inspired from.

Recomendation tweeks:

1) I think there should be some form of mention on the company page for any company which fulfills the requirements already set by the wiki. If needed change the requirements, but I think if you've earned it, then you earned it.

Thanks Intothedoor (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Intothedoor, I think that's a double-edged sword. The wiki also has the function to arrange things correctly. Suggestion: We could create an additional section on the company page with civilization-affiliated companies that meet the requirements. Artifexity (talk) 07:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 6/16/19[ | ]

Hi, I would like to submit my civilisation, Order of the All Consuming Star, to the list of all the other civilisations. Hopefully I have done all my pages correctly, but if there is anything wrong with them just let me know. (28sour (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2019 (UTC))

Hello 28sour, welcome to the community. I added Order of the All Consuming Star on the map. Artifexity (talk) 07:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Have added an index to your civ on the CivSpace page - welcome! Ddfairchild (talk) 04:15, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Request to add certify/add to civilization to CivSpace 6/15/2019[ | ]

Hello there! I recently finished the wiki documentation pages for my civilization, the Celestial Kingdoms of Irling. While images and some details still need to be uploaded, the pages are in general good order. I’m hoping to add my civilization to the CivMap and Civilizations page. Thanks for your time!

Edit: If possible, I’d greatly appreciate being documented on the map as simply the ‘Celestial Kingdoms’. This is what I plan for the Civilization to be referred to more commonly.(Celestial Kingdoms of Irling is just the official title, similar to how the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is simply known as Venezuela.) (User: Carter Brentwood (talk) 11:34 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I have added an index entry to the CivSpace page for the Celestial Kingdoms. Our cartographer should add you to the map shortly. Ddfairchild (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Already done. Artifexity (talk) 16:38, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization to civilized space 05/09/2019[ | ]

Hello, I realized I have forgotten one of the requirements for Civilized Space membership so thought I'd put this here as the official request for inclusion. Hopefully the system pages are in good enough order.

User:Parallax_5 Parallax 5 (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)Parallax_11

I have added your civ to the CivSpace page, our cartographer will add you to the map soon if he hasn't already done so. One thing to check - please make sure that either all the systems you have documented in the wiki are listed on your Embassy page, or that none of them are (just for consistency). Thanks, and welcome! Ddfairchild (talk) 19:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Map: The Explorers Alliance has left the status as "under construction". Welcome! Artifexity (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Request to add current civilization to the Civilized Space page 04/11/19[ | ]

Hey there, I am the sole proprietor of the Trailblazer Firm. I was wondering if it would be acceptable to either post (or have posted) my company on the list within the 'Navigation Zones' section (I am already on the map in the Delta Quadrant). Thanks for taking your time to read this! Carter Brentwood (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Carter Brentwood, only civilizations are listed on this page. Likewise, no civilizations are listed on the Companies page. The civilized space map tries to combine both, as long as there is enough space on the map. Artifexity (talk) 10:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 04/05/2019[ | ]

I would like to apply for Civilized Space. My Civilization, The Enigma Alliance wishes to be added to the roster and be recognized as a civilization in the eyes of the community. Its only Rural at the moment,but we shall grow eventually. I, the Founder, have created the 5 necessary System pages and I have also created one planet page, all of which can be navigated from the Embassy page. Thank you! FoolMeHardys

Did a quick check of your system pages - looks like some of the standard section headers are missing?

Specifically: Alias names, Starships, Space Station, Navigator

You don't need to have these sections filled in (you may not have the information at hand) but they still should be there. Two reasons:

1) it provides a standard (more or less) architecture to the page

2) if you or another explorer visits again and gathers that information, the sections are there on the page ready to be filled in.

Go ahead and make those adjustments, and let us know when completed. Ddfairchild (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I've added the sections! Also I've noticed a problem. Ohgma Infinitum and Ohgma Decendium are meant to have "Enigma" at the end of their names. I fixed it on the page but it won't let me fix the page name itself :/

Welcome to the family of official Civilized Spaces - your pages look good and I've added you to the regular CivSpace page. Also fixed up your enigma names. Ddfairchild (talk) 04:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 03/30/2019[ | ]

Request to add a new civilization. Intergalactic Exploration Corporation would like to be formally recognized as a Civilization. Peacebomb

Hello Peacebomb, thanks for the request. I have added InExCor on the civilized space map (Eissentam) and on the companies map. Because Intergalactic Exploration Corporation is a company, it is only listed on the company page. So far, no companies have been listed on the civilized space page. Ddfaichild can explain this in more detail. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 11:28, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

In brief, a Company can be a Company and a Civ can be a Civ. Looks like the IEC is a company, so as Gorla mentioned, will be added to the Company page. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 03/21/2019[ | ]

Request to add new civilization 03/21/2019. We are Empire of Phantomium Marxium and we would like to formally request recognition as a Civilization. My name is Jikomiko (XBOX Gamertag) and I am the Founder of the Empire. our Wiki pages should be completely satisfactory, but if there are any disputes please feel free to let me know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Thank you for your consideration. We patiently await your response. Jikomiko (talk) 18:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't see the five star system pages documented on the wiki. Where are they located? Ddfairchild (talk) 20:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jikomiko, I have added Empire of Phantomium Marxium (EPM) under the category "Under construction" on the map. I have seen that Ddfairchild already supports you, so that your civilization will soon be recognized. Welcome to the community. Edit: Coordinates and location on the map have been corrected. Artifexity (talk) 10:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

your civ has been added to the Civilized Space page - welcome! Ddfairchild (talk) 19:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Request for LEVIATHAN to be added as a company 03/18/2019[ | ]

I'm back with a new company, I know very original. I'm done with the Samone Corporation but would like to put LEVIATHAN up for the companies list (I'm guessing I still put that request here?). I'm assuming by the pages requirement I will need 5 (which I don't have yet). I have 3 but not sure whether this should make a difference because I still have ties to other regions owned by the predecessor and of course I made all those pages. If I'm still required to make the other 2 pages then I can sort that out soon. Thanks.

Yes, you'll need to have the five systems. Those are per civ/company, not per editor <g>. Have to ask though, why are you ditching Samone after all the work you put in on it? Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 00:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm ditching Samone because...well it's complicated. I originally wanted to leave so I gave it away. Now I've decided to come back but I can't just take my company back, plus my save had to be reloaded to an earlier version so I lost data (don't ask why) and I also found a huge business like Samone to be too much to handle. I want to run a business but a smaller more private one. On that note, I have done the 5 systems in the most basic screwy way possible because I don't have time to mess about with them. BaileyJack.

Yep, I can understand those reasons! Well, welcome back to the wiki at any rate. As far as for the five systems, please include the names of the planets/moon for each of the five system. Don't need to have individual pages for them unless you want to do so, but please provide a list. Also, I assume the reason there are no location pieces is because you're running this new company from your freighter, correct? Having said that, it's still a good idea to include location info for any page you document, just in case someone else wants to visit or revisit what you discovered. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I have added the planets and coordinates. Yeah I run from the freighter but I actually didn't have the coords because I was in a rush to get the pages done. My bad I know but I've fixed that now. Hopefully that's all I needed left. Thanks.BaileyJack 17:40, 19/03/2019

LEVIATHAN has been added to the Company page and the Company map. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 21:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 02/19/2019[ | ]

Request to add new civilization 02/19/2019. We are The Union Confederal and we would like to formally request recognition as a Civilization. My name is YEETZEBRA (XBOX Gamertag) and I am the Founder of the Union. our Wiki pages should be completely satisfactory, but if there are any disputes please feel free to let me know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Accuracy is one of our deepest core values! Thank you for your consideration. We patiently await your response. Mistergover(talk) 05:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello Mistergover, I have added the Union Confederal to the official CivSpace page and the map. Welcome to the community! Artifexity (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 02/17/2019[ | ]

Request to add new civilization 02/17/2019. Hello. My name is AveryDion. I would like to submit my civilization, the Empire of Achenar, which is now open for diplomacy. We only have 3 members, although we are planning to grow shortly. We are working on making more articles for our systems, planets, and moons, shortly, please excuse if some are missing. Thanks! AveryTheGamer (talk) 03:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello AveryTheGamer, Empire of Achenar has been added to the map. I wrote you in the Subreddit of the Federation which information is still missing to be officially recognized as a civilization. Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I have added your civ to the official CivSpace page. Welcome to the community! Ddfairchild (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 02/08/2019[ | ]

Request to add a new civilization on 02/08/2019. I would like to apply for Civilized Space, the Galactic Frontier Alliance wishes to join the ranks of the other civilizations listed. We have a moderate following of 28 active members and are looking to help colonize our region of space. Thank you. Astrange0ne (talk) 22:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC) AStrange0ne

Hello Astrange0ne, I have added Galactic Frontier Alliance to the map temporarily under the category "Construction". Welcome. Artifexity (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Just a quick review - here are the requirements for recognition (taken from the CivSpace page). Your request here takes care of item 4. I rebuilt the Embassy page for you, so item 1 is more-or-less done. Once the other two are completed, we'll add you to the page. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 23:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Requirements[ | ]

In order to be recognised as a civilization on this index page, the following requirements must be met:

1) an embassy page is present in the wiki

2) a minimum of five star system pages discovered by the civilization are present in the wiki (and in good order)

3) the civilization's founder is involved only with the new civilization (basically one civ to a customer)

4) an official request for inclusion from the founder is present on the Discussion page

Request to add new civilization 01/27/2019[ | ]

Request to add a new civilization on 01/27/2019. I would like to submit my civilization, Bella Star Empire, to the list of civilizations. Let me know if I did everything correctly. I will try to add more when I can. It's meant to be a fan fiction/exploration/profit type civilization. Thank you. - Mantyger (Mantyger (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2019 (UTC))

Hello Mantyger, in order to be recognized as a civilization and to be listed on the page, some information is still missing. See here. First of all, you must have documented 5 star systems (a separate page for each system). If you need any help, let us know. I have added Bella Star Empire to the map . Welcome to the community! Artifexity (talk) 09:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I will begin documenting the star systems. If I have any questions, I'll let you know. Thank you. - Mantyger

Quick note - when documenting the pages, be sure to use the complete Star System and Planet templates. This is part of what is meant by the "in good order" section of the requirements for inclusion on the CivSpace page. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 06:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Request to add new civilization 01/17/2019[ | ]

I would like to submit my civilization, Eissentam Confederated Systems, to the list of civilizations. I am not sure if I did all the pages correctly but I can make whatever changes are needed. It is meant to be a solo hybrid exploration/construction/profit type civilization. --Gb0721 (talk) 08:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Gb0721, welcome to the community. I have added ECS to the map. In order to be recognized as civilization and to be listed on the page, a few details are still missing. In particular, the Planets & Moons section (star systems) is incomplete. --Artifexity (talk) 12:27, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

I will be working on that this weekend and adding other regions, star systems, planets, and bases. Was in to much of a hurry to get this thing off the ground. --Gb0721

Take your time. Artifexity (talk) 17:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Eissentam Confederated Systems was added to the page. Artifexity (talk) 09:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I noticed an error on the Eissentam Confederated Systems main page, it lists Rociane as the capital but it should be Reume VI. Rociane is the Embassy planet. --Gb0721

Have updated it, also ok for you to update this type of item in the future. Thanks! Ddfairchild (talk) 20:48, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Mass Removal 01/15/2019[ | ]

Was there a reason for the massive cut down of groups? If this is now divided in PC and PS4+ sections, I am not sure where the console site is. Not that I use a console. But seeing Cafe 42 removed etc. would point to that. Then again EPIC is still here. I am slightly confused why this happened.Thamalandis (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello Thamalandis, all civilizations that have not documented at least 5 star systems (since NEXT) have been removed from the list. The previous list with his points system did not prevail. All civilizations are still listed on the map. Artifexity (talk) 09:37, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what decisions are made where but I will respond for EPIC - EPIC edits on the gamepedia wiki, Cafe42 does not. They are two different civz and groups of travellers. I would raise quite the stink if anything happened to EPIC considering the time Captain Slade and I have put into it.Intothedoor (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Please note that this cleanup only affects the CivSpace page itself. Any and all information documented by any civ (no matter how much or how little) is still in place and can be accessed at any time. Also as Artifexity mentioned, they still are on the map and can be quickly reached in that way. The requirements for having a "text reference" on the CivSpace page specifically state that having five systems documented is a requirement. This was simply an enforcement of those requirements. A similar process is done anytime we move to a major new release in which all inactive civs (and by that I mean inactive in the wiki) are dropped on the new version of the page. Ddfairchild (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Request to add a new civilization 01/14/2019[ | ]

I would like to submit my civilization, the United Colonies of New Sol, to the list of civs. I am in the process of uploading all the info, but you can check it's page if you want to be safe. It is meant to be a hybrid research/exploration/construction/fanfiction type civ focused on expanding, conducting detailed research, and building recreational facilities and places for Travellers to stop and rest. Thank you for considering. --Traveller Fletcher (talk)

Have reviewed your civspace and primary system pages and made a couple of changes per wiki standards (please review the changes so as you create new system pages, you'll know what to include). Once the requirements specified on the civspace page have been completed (mainly at this point it's having five documented system in the wiki), we will add your civ to the civspace index. Welcome to the community! Ddfairchild (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Requesting a minor change on the Eyfert Khannate civ description 01/07/2019[ | ]

This is the new one:

The Eyfert Khannate is a fledgling civilization based in the first red galaxy, Rerasmutul. Its main area of control is the Tenhoe Nebula. The regional capital is Egionetsk and the seat of power is the planet Edaemon VII. The civilized space is based in the Tenhoe Nebula but the name comes from the region of Eyfert.

G5457s (talk) 01:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

and done... Ddfairchild (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)